Satori Shakoor: Podcast Interview
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[00:00:00] We're you, we're me, we're, you know,

we are the largest demographic

in the United States

and doctors only get

one hour of training in menopause.

So that means that there are very few,

doctors trained in

something that every woman

will go through, and

the largest demographic

of women are in some stage of it,

but there aren't enough doctors

to accurately diagnosed.

Or give us any kind of remedy or direction.

Some women are on a waiting list for

over a year to talk to a

qualified, certified, menopausal doctor.

So Governor Whitmer is going across

the state of Michigan.

And she has panels of

storyteller like myself,

menopause doctors, researchers,

psychologists,

sex therapists who are there

to answer the questions

of women who come

and believe me,

they don't even wanna leave

because it's the first

time [00:01:00] that they're in a

group and they can

relate to each other and

they have questions because

every woman's body is different.

And some of the things

that the doctors

are telling them or

not telling them aren't

satisfying or they don't

lead to any kind of solution.

So I'm proud to be

part of that because

they're trying to,

the senators, the commissioners,

the legislators want to

create this awareness

so that we can

have health insurance.

'cause it can be very expensive

trying to understand

what this is and get treatment for it.

Hello, and welcome to the

Midwifery Wisdom Podcast.

I am Shiphrah, a student midwife or

[00:02:00] storyteller of many of things,

and I have the pleasure,

the wonderful pleasure today of

having, Satori Shakoor here with us.

A storyteller, a writer, an actress,

even someone who have

created a wonderful film,

The confessions of a Menopausal Femme Fatale

that tells her story, tells the story that many

of us women that can connect to and

will connect to in our future.

Satori once again, thank you

for being here with us

Please, please tell us a

little bit more about yourself

and the work that you do.

Thank you so much for having me.

I appreciate being able to,

have a conversation

with you and your listening audience.

I am so proud of,

making this film because

making a film,

you probably have heard or known if you've

made a film yourself that

it is a long process and,

so this film was really,

it didn't start out to be a film.

It started out [00:03:00] as a promise to my younger self

when I was having symptoms

of perimenopause.

Which were heart palpitations,

mood swings, night sweats, insomnia,

heavy periods, light period.

Just this whole, not wondering who am I?

And um, and I would ask older women around me,

What's going on and what is the change?

What is menopause?

And either, my mother would say,

I don't remember.

Other older women would say,

well, I'm too young. I clearly they weren't,

they just didn't wanna age themselves.

And other women would actually say,

I refuse to go through menopause.

And I'm thinking, well, if

you're lucky enough to live,

you know, long you, it's inevitable that

you'll go through this period, if not sooner,

if it's not interrupted by a

hysterectomy or something like that.

Because it was so

Off-putting such a [00:04:00] life altering.

Experience over the 12 years.

I wanted to leave

something for the younger

women coming behind me,

but I realized I couldn't write about it while

I was going through it because there were so

many different phases of it

that I had to get to the other side.

And once I got to the other side,

I began to write about it in 2018.

And as I wrote about it,

I began to say, oh, this is.

This is a story.

This is a play.

And as I began to do my research and work

with different mothers or organizations,

governmental organization or

healthcare initiatives,

I began to hear the stories of mothers

who had gone through,

postpartum depression, which it was

something that I'd gone through too.

And I realized this story is

bigger than just menopause.

This is the biological hormonal journey of

what it is to be a woman,

starting with a young girl

come having her period.

But it [00:05:00] also tells the story of once we start

to enter womanhood and

have our period automatically,

there is shame attached to it.

Mm-hmm. We clean, we have to hide.

We are embarrassed if there's a

bit of blood on the back of our dress.

We are always trying to

hide a natural, progression

and evolution of ourselves.

When I became a mother,

there was no one talking

about postpartum, not even my doctor.

So, when I looked at other mothers,

they looked perfect, they looked happy,

and so I felt ashamed.

Why aren't I bonding with my child?

You know? And so it's the

fact that women don't talk.

And then when I became perimenopausal

and ask around as I was sharing with you,

women would be in a sort of denial because

when we are viewed through a patriarchal lens,

which I believe is unhealthy and limiting to

both men, women, [00:06:00] children,

and the society at large,

because it only allows each of us to

play out a very limited roles.

And it reduces our lived experience down to,

for women being perky, juicy, and

able to reproduce babies for men.

They're only allowed about three emotions,

anger, violence, and

maybe something else, you know?

So that's not healthy.

And if men operate anywhere outside of those.

What's deemed masculine, they are sort of

punished or labeled being weak, simps, gay,

whatever they wanna label that man as

so that man has to conform,

adapt to being something they're really not.

And the same goes for women and we

pass that down.

To our children and therefore generations

move forward with this same

sort of unhealthy [00:07:00] mindset.

But what I discovered as

I moved through the process

of perimenopause, menopause, and

coming to the other side,

what I found was that,

that a profound gift of

defining myself, of freedom

Of full self-expression, of owning the

accomplishments and successes and regrets.

And things I wish that had gone differently,

owning it, putting to rest,

forgiving myself until my

past was all rolled up.

It had no power over me to influence

shame or any of those things.

It just had the power.

To make me more compassionate,

more empathetic, more understanding,

and it made a bigger me.

So when I move into my future,

all there is is possibility.

All there is is the confidence to know that whatever

I say I'm going to do and commit to doing it,

I can do it. So making a [00:08:00] film was something

I said I could do. I committed to doing it and

even though I had never made a film before,

didn't know I, I'm a theater artist,

so I knew that world.

But in terms of film and all of that,

I had where are the directors?

What's the, where are the distributors?

I had no idea.

So I had to, I had to attract that to me by

way of just sharing, I wanna make a film,

Any directors,

any distributors, you know what should I do?

What should I do? What should I do? And then.

You know, I've spent a lot of

money making a lot of mistakes,

which I have translated into investments in

learning, and, but at the end of the day,

I'm very proud to say

Confessions of a Menopausal Femme Fatale

is now accessible globally.

To men and women and anyone who wants

to watch it on, Amazon Prime, Apple TV Plus

and Google Play.

And it's, it's, [00:09:00] it was released June 12th

and it's been getting rave reviews.

People are writing their

reviews and Rotten tomatoes

and some of the reviews bring me to tears

because whenever you create anything,

you have what you would

like the audience to take from it.

But like any piece of art, what people actually

take from it could be

what you intend, but they take

so many other things and the other things

that they take sort of educate you, inform you,

and bless you with, oh, this is

bigger than what I even thought.

I just shared myself and I shared myself

in an honest, vulnerable way,

which turns out to be very raw 'cause life

and our experiences in life can be very raw.

I didn't attempt to, you know,

put a tuxedo on it or a ballroom dress on it.

If it was raw, it was raw.

[00:10:00] If it was painful, it was painful.

If it was, redemptive, it was redemptive.

And if it was funny. It was funny.

I feel so. Good. And not only that,

I have become part of the

Michigan Women's Commission.

They call me to do panels.

They're gonna be doing sort of a rollout

of my film in October. So I'm working with them.

Cheryl Bergman, the

Governor Whitmer here in Michigan,

Halle Berry came 'cause she's

established herself as the face

and the voice for menopausal women.

She's as perfect as anyone

can be. 'cause she's young.

She's sexy. And so if you wanna take a

look at what menopause looks like,

you wanna look like that, okay?

It is not this haggard old ratchety ratchety.

Crony woman that society wants to paint us

as we're vibrant.

We're out there [00:11:00] producing work, we're out there,

we're running for president.

We're governors of state.

We're you, we're me, we're, you know,

we are the largest demographic

in the United States

and doctors only get one hour of training.

in Menopause.

So that means that there are very few,

doctors trained in something that every woman

will go through, and the largest demographic

of women are in some stage of it,

but there aren't enough

doctors to accurately diagnosed.

Or give us any kind of remedy or direction.

Some women are on a waiting list for

over a year to talk to a qualified,

certified, menopausal doctor.

So Governor Whitmer is going across

the state of Michigan.

And she has panels of storyteller like myself,

menopause doctors, researchers,

psychologists, sex therapists who are there

to answer the questions of women who [00:12:00] come

and believe me, they don't even wanna leave

because it's the first time that they're in a

group and they can relate to each other and

they have questions because

every woman's body is different.

And some of the things that the doctors

are telling them or not telling them aren't

satisfying or they don't lead to any kind of solution.

So I'm proud to be part of that because

they're trying to, the senators, the commissioners,

the legislators want to create this awareness

so that we can have health insurance.

'cause it can be very expensive

trying to understand

what this is and get treatment for it.

Because these hot flashes aren't just

things to be laughed at.

They can lead to breast cancer, heart disease,

and other things we don't expect.

It is a time of life that self-care, healthcare

and all those things are, we should [00:13:00] demand

so that they aren't difficult, to navigate

and that we can enjoy the benefits of what

this stage of life, is offered and can offer us.

I am proud to use, my purpose, my calling

and my gifts to facilitate.

And help, women talk about this, right?

And we are now talking about

it, but to be, to have something

out there regardless, that doesn't

just focus on pharmaceuticals,

but actually share.

One person, one woman's

experience of being a woman,

a mother, someone who is creative

and is now in post menopause and

can attest that we should be celebrating this.

It should be a rite of passage.

We should be the first to

stand up in any room and say,

Hey, hey, I've arrived. I've arrived at my

destiny of giving birth to myself.

And now I wanna see who I'm gonna [00:14:00] be

as I move forward in, in this next stage

of life, how I can be of service, to my community,

to my children, to my grandchildren, to the world.

In 2012,

after I crawled back from the numb of hell,

From the death of my mother in 2006

and nine months later, the death of my son.

Six years later, I'm crawling back just feeling those

that inner stirring of life.

And I noticed that in Detroit,

Detroit was also coming

back from emergency management,

water shut off flint water crisis, gentrification,

disappearing tax base, and then I could

see the burgeoning signs of life.

And I thought, wow, if storytelling could

begin to heal me, forgive me me a viable,

contributing human being.

Could he do the same for the city of Detroit?

And that idea became so [00:15:00] delicious that

I created a storytelling platform called

The Secret Society of Twisted Storytellers.

And we're moving into our 14th year

where we curate four storytellers,

musical performance and a dance performance on a theme.

And people come up and they tell their true

and personal stories, which is like.

A gift that they're giving to the listening audience that you,

I'm sharing my experience with you,

and we can connect and create a community

just out of the, out of my

words, out of my experience.

Oh, I had that same thing happen to me.

I have some questions.

Example, we had a woman come up and tell her story.

Of being diagnosed with lupus 20 years before,

a woman in the audience who had just been

diagnosed with lupus, rushed to her after the

story and she could share, oh,

this what happened in my first year,

fifth year, [00:16:00] you're gonna be all right.

Right? And so I don't know whether.

When somebody is diagnosed with something

that may be scary and someone else has been

living through it and they're vibrant and beautiful

and they say, you're gonna be all right,

what that does to your soul.

But just to have someone who has gone

through that experience and can sort of

assure you and support you,

in a way that you didn't, that you wouldn't

have known before. But we have to tell our stories.

We have to share ourselves. 'cause if we don't,

we're somebody that looks good and

smells good, but no one knows who we are

and we may disappear from the earth.

And it's like they talk about libraries.

Disappearing. Like when, when a life goes,

we wanna leave a legacy of,

who we are and what we've done

so that these younger people coming behind

us can access it and go, oh my God.

Here's a blueprint, here's a roadmap.

Here's [00:17:00] something that maybe I can use

to direct my path or give me some ideas of how to navigate.

And, I think that's what every society

has done since the beginning of time.

But somehow here in the United States and America,

we have lost that, ability because we have

lost that connection and community to share our stories.

We allow talking heads and other people to tell our stories,

which we end up as a one dimensional extra,

and oftentimes an afterthought is

somebody else's story about us.

They have no access to what it smelled like

when I walked in that room, how I felt when

I looked across there and saw him for the first time

when my baby was born and looked up at me,

with those eyes like mommy.

Or when wrote my first article

and someone said, I wanna publish it.

Or all [00:18:00] the many things, the joys, the ups

and downs that human beings go through.

We get to share that and validate ourselves

over and infinitely as human beings

that we can connect with and have our

lives be more enriched by.

You know the word midwifery simply means with women.

With that, I appreciate and thank you

for your works that you have imparted on this

earth to be with women, to support women,

to give us a hand, to hold, to get through the

stories of our own lives.

That is a huge and revolutionary work, and

we appreciate you for leaving,

us with this library of experiences and stories

that we can relate to and grow

with in all phases of life.

And you know, to, if I was to take it,

I guess moment by moment or a section

of your life at a time, menopause and post menopause

being where you are,

if I back it up and not to tell [00:19:00] too much of the film,

but you do also speak about, like you mentioned,

childbirth and postpartum and some of the symptoms

and the mental health that relates to that part of your life.

As a younger woman myself,

I am just gaining information about

menopause that I could, relate to. Right.

Motherhood and childbearing.

And you mentioned some of the symptoms,

you know, the heart palpitations and the

various things that relate to menopause,

but how much of that is similar

to the postpartum experience?

Does it prepare you for womanhood later in life?

Every woman doesn't have postpartum,

and postpartum is more of a. psychosis.

Mm-hmm. It's more of a mental,

it's more of a mental emotional thing.

You don't feel bonded to your child.

In my case, I could hear voices,

that wanted me to distance even [00:20:00] more from my child.

I, I have heard and wanted me to harm my child

is to get rid of this thing that's, causing my life so much grief.

And I have, worked with women who.

Have told stories of their postpartum,

depression where they brought the baby home

and then the next day went out to their cars,

put the baby in the car seat, drove to the hospital

and said, here, take the baby back.

Or they dropped the baby, at a fire station,

a church, or, you know, all these,

or sometimes they would harm,

actually harm the child.

And you think it's you, but

it's a psychosis that happens.

It's a depression, and it comes as a result

of maybe other factors going on at the

same time in your life, and so you don't know.

Now they know. In fact, my niece,

when she gave birth, they gave her a list of 10 things and [00:21:00] said,

if you experience three of these.

Call your doctor. So we have a pedicure,

and she was just talking and she was like,

yeah, I wanna take Taj back to his father.

You know, I wanna throw him against the wall.

She was just, and I said, you have postpartum depression.

Oh yeah. My doctor gave me this list and he said,

if three things, I said, how many

are you going through? She said, more than three.

Talk to your doctor. She did.

And she was able to deal with it and get

herself back on course, but untreated,

it just continues to get, worse in some cases.

In some cases, it, it self corrects. Okay?

If think conditions of your life don't improve,

the depression keeps dragging down on you.

Which it did. Which it did in my case, but.

One thing about a mother, she always wants

to protect her child, [00:22:00] even if she has to protect

the child from herself.

And then you carry, and then when

I discovered that's what it was, years later,

another grief hit me like, oh my goodness.

Had I known this,

I could have been a mother, a real mother.

And so then there's the, then there's that.

But to get to a moment in your life where you can

look back at that, a story that

you could not tell. It was just,

the judgment that I had of myself was so severe.

That it was, I did not want anyone to judge

me more harshly and they, how could they

even judge me more harshly?

But then, but then arriving here and speaking

to other people and hearing their stories freed

me to tell my own and actually,

made it an imperative for me to share it

so [00:23:00] that if other women heard it and they were

having these same thoughts and feelings and.

That would silence them.

They could also know they were not alone and

that they could get the kind of support and

help they needed to move through it gracefully.

Right.

And that's the whole mission.

It is, you know, even in the story,

you speak up with your niece.

I'm grateful that we have the resources

to be able to reach out to our doctors.

They're giving women a list now,

you know, midwives.

You know, something I can relate to.

You know, we're having those conversations

of what to expect, not only for and with the mother now,

you know, we are having a conversation

with anyone who's gonna be in her immediate vicinity

to recognize things and give them the empowerment to,

work with the mom and also work with

us to help get her back to her, her own self.

Um, but it is also just powerful to have people

in your community who you can rely on.

I think it's kind of a stigma within.

For women and especially black women,

to not even [00:24:00] want to have something be wrong,

to need to reach out to the doctor,

even if the doctor gave you the list of

10 things or three things that you can refer to.

So it's really empowering to hear that you are an

advocate for your niece in recognition, right,

of what this thing is to empower her that like,

no, there is something here going on and there's

also something you can do about it.

And helping her get on the road to getting

back to her normal self.

So is the midwife the same as a doula?

It is not. It is not.

Job is maternal support.

They don't do any medical or clinical care.

Most of their job is centered around education, right?

They can be educational on what to expect

from childbirth, how to uncover, and then

just physically comforting and supporting you

throughout your labor no matter what kind of birth you had.

You know, I was a doula for five years before

I started my education into midwifery.

And I'll support women who are having a

non-medicated home birth with midwives,

women who are having [00:25:00] a cesarean.

I'll go support them emotionally and educationally

in the operating room.

Women who are doing hospital birth

with medication, all forms of birth.

So just support and being a advocate in there

who understands what's going on and able to

communicate to the mothers, like,

Hey, this is what's going on. This is what is emergent.

Here's your options. And just kind of being,

like I said, their advocate and their support person,

and then helping them recover.

Oftentimes, the doula comes into the home

and helps the ship stay afloat, as I say.

As a mother's in recovery, that can be a lot of things.

It can be just talking to her about where she is mentally,

you know, and helping that ship stay afloat.

It could be helping her household stay afloat,

whether that's taking care of the older kids,

cleaning, making sure she's eating things of that nature.

So we think doula, the word support and

education should come to mind.

Whereas a midwife, every, no doula can be a midwife,

but every midwife can be a doula.

Meaning that every midwife should be able to

educate and support,

but they [00:26:00] also have the clinical or medical knowledge

of how to care for a mother.

So the midwife is doing the prenatal care.

So whereas if you have an OB.

You're going to the medical office,

do your prenatal appointments,

have your baby at the hospital,

and then possibly go back to the OB office for postpartum.

The midwife is doing all of that

prenatal care instead of the ob.

So we see you throughout the entire pregnancy.

The midwife, assists in delivering your baby

or catching your baby or assist the father in

whomever you want to catch your baby

and make sure that you stay medically,

healthy immediately after birth, and then

come see you for all clinical support or you

come see her for all clinical support after.

So it's just a higher level of care from the

midwife and what led you and inspired you

to be of such a profound service to other women.

I think it's a very similar concept of what you do.

There's a way for all of us to be with women,

and I think we all kind of go [00:27:00] through our lives

of figuring out how we can show up for one another.

For some of us, our entire mission

is just being a good mom and we're with our

children and making sure we making a positive

impact on society through who we raise.

Right. For some people it is their writing

or the music that they make or whatever you

put out in the world. And for me,

I came to the conclusion that one of the

most impactful times in people's lives is when

they enter into parenthood and how you are supported, how you are educated.

Um. How you are treated in that moment and

beyond can change the course of your entire life.

And I'm speaking from my own experience as well,

and I've seen way too many instances,

and particularly in the hospital system where

what is one of the most impactful days and

moments of your life is just treated like

just another day at work by the individuals who is managing it.

I wanted to be one of those individuals

who impacted for the better. [00:28:00] As a doula,

I feel like I only could do a certain percentage

of that because being nonclinical,

meaning that I'm not managing your actual care,

I'm just taking care of you, I only could do as

much as was allowed. Whereas when I,

as you know, the future midwife and

the student midwife in this case.

Managing your actual care, I can impact

the entire experience for the better.

I can be the provider who listens to you.

I can be the provider who provides you with information.

I can be the provider who, makes you understand

that postpartum psychosis, for example,

is an experience that is not any wrongdoing

of your own and give you the resources

to be properly supported through it.

Right? So I chose midwifery to impact women deeply.

To impact the children who were impacted

by those women to impact the fathers.

That's just my version of being with women

and I hope that I can stick with many of

families through many of generations. Wow.

And do you share,

do you tell your story [00:29:00] and,

others to multiply yourself through other women?

I do. So funny. I'm really

appreciating hearing the impact that you're

making on the world. I'm actually

making a film as well.

Oh, okay. I have the pleasure of being married

to a videographer and journalist.

Okay. I also have kind of had a life of entertainment

and you know, did theater and all the things.

Right? So you marry all that together.

It's like, well, how do you tell this impactful story?

And the only way that I knew how to.

Condense it all in a receivable way was

to put it into them, or a documentary, if you will.

Individuals who have had different

experiences to be able to tell their story

and then inter intertwine in my story with it.

Even just being vocal on, you know

, the things that relate to society,

that they being vocal on social media, like,

Hey, life is hard. Here's how we can get through it together.

Here's how I got through it.

So I've always been just very vocal about

the various experiences of mine,

whether it's been on social media or

being a YouTube blogger.

I believe that [00:30:00] telling your story, like you're

telling your story, like you said, leaves a legacy

and leaves just enough information for

someone to grasp on and figure out.

What can I do next? Or what can I take

from her story and then make my story

even more, smooth or

where can I start?

So absolutely what you're doing is

revolutionary work and absolute need.

And I'm very excited to be able to use this platform

to be able to say, Hey.

This movie is found on Amazon Prime and Google Play,

you know, and all the places because women and families,

not just women, need to hear this story

because the feminine experience is not

centered on just how we live our individual lives.

It's also about how people perceive us

and what they think menopause and childbearing

and all the things is.

So I encourage all individuals listen

to be able to go access.

Your film and be able to have an understanding

ear and kind just change the perception on

womanhood and menopause and aging and all the things.

[00:31:00] Well, thank you for your service.

Thank you. Thank you.

You know the name of your film or what it's gonna be, or is it

so mine is centered around becoming a midwife.

So right now it's just becoming midwife.

And that may grow with time.

I'm definitely in the early phases of just

what the end production is going to be.

Um, but becoming midwife really is just a,

it's centered around my journey of being

able to become a midwife, but it really tells the

struggles that I think a lot of us can relate to in various,

in instances of our life, how there's just not

enough information and resources to

help us get from point A to point B.

How being a woman.

Or individual even who have aspirations to

change the world for the better.

But then also having your own personal

responsibility to take care of, like how do you impact

the world and then carry the full load that

you have to carry for yourself as well.

There's just so much more we can do

for each other in Unity to just help society.

And I happen to center mine around like,

Why [00:32:00] this is so hard to become a person

who just wants to help people.

But I'm sure we could take that same

concept of what could unity in our community

do to just get us further?

Mine happens to be sensed around

my journey of becoming a midwife,

but it's really just about wanting to be,

wanting to create resources in our community.

And the resource I'm creating is clinical care

for women in maternity, but, and so is it a documentary

or a narrative? A documentary.

A growing experience.

So okay, we'll see.

Maybe it'll start off with a documentary

approach through interviews and then have a

shifting more narrative approach at the end.

And that's the beauty of art, right?

That it has the ability to change.

You mentioned that when you started out that

you weren't necessarily making a film

and then all the pieces fell into place where

this is how the story needed to be told.

So, very much so. Still looking.

When I finished writing it, I realized.

Oh, this is, I cannot perform this eight

[00:33:00] shows a week in theater.

It's exhausting emotionally.

Yeah. So I thought, oh, it would be

probably more impactful if I could film

three performances, make a film,

and then it, I could distribute it globally.

And uh, and if anyone wanted to perform it.

Or make a narrative piece where there

are people actually playing the different characters

and all that, that could happen.

But, eight shows a week.

As a discipline for theater, the matinee.

I just, I, no, it just, as an artist yourself, you,

you realize that, that we keep our minds open.

They're flexible and take in the messages

and directives that the piece of art,

we are creating feedback to us, right?

So it starts out this way, but in the end it

may be something completely different

and you're happy with it.

This is true. This is true. And with that,

once again, I want [00:34:00] to express my

gratitude for you putting your art into a way

that we all can receive, right?

I can just imagine if you did this live a few times

and I didn't have the opportunity to view it.

So for our audience today, who is listening,

once again, this stem can be found.

On multiple sources, Amazon Prime,

apple Plus Google Play.

I do encourage you to go and look it up.

It is a beautiful piece of telling the story

of not only Satori herself, but truly

a story that we all can relate to the

Confessions of a Menopausal Femme Fatale

It's out. It is there for the world to view.

Share it with your community,

share it with your family. Watch it yourself.

Thank you again, Satori for sharing your story with us.

Is there any final message that you want to

share with our audience about your work

and what you hope that they take from?

Yeah, well first of all, you can visit my website,

satorishakoor.com and it'll link you to,

to all the places you can watch.

But basically, I would just like to say [00:35:00] that

If you're gonna live,

don't just breathe.

Be alive every moment of your life.

That's a beautiful message.

Thank you for leaving that with us.

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as well who are watching,

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Thank you again for being here with us today,

and I hope that you'll tune into

our next session. Thank you.

It's been a pleasure.

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